Interview: Accuracy in Media speaker Charles Wiley talks with Contumacy about the Graglia Flap


International journalist Charles Wiley, a member of Accuracy In Media's speakers bureau, has participated in numerous discussions and debates on the UT campus over the past several years, hosted by the Young Conservatives of Texas. Previously scheduled to visit UT to speak on the West Mall and to participate in an evening discussion on the future of race relations, he arrived just after the Graglia controversy erupted. We interviewed him shortly after his appearances here.


Contumacy: What is your own opinion about Professor Graglia's controversial remarks that some minority cultures may not be as concerned as others about academic failure?

"All of this excitement is puzzling. In suggesting that there are differences in how diverse cultures assign values to various life choices, Professor Graglia did what "multiculturalists" have suggested for years: he discussed cultural differences.

"After decreeing that we need as wide a diversity as possible, the "politically correct" went ballistic when it was suggested that different cultures have different priorities. They abruptly decided that different cultures couldn't have different views.

"Suddenly, PC rules were changed. Now, we should not discuss this subject.

"It is a page right out of 1984, George Orwell's novel about a futuristic dictatorship. We are taking the first steps toward living in a totalitarian nightmare."

 

Contumacy: And the specific issue itself?

"What is wrong with an opinion that different cultures have different priorities?

"Scholastic achievement among Asians is outstanding. It is perfectly rational to suggest that, as a group, they push harder on their kids to study - which means that culturally they have put a higher value on scholastic achievement. Throughout the world, some groups do better economically than others - even when they are a minority in a hostile environment. If you don't attribute that to cultural difference, then there has to be some other explanation. Free people should be able to intelligently discuss the subject without hysteria and threats.

"If you deny that people who come from Asia have a different cultural thrust, why is the percentage of Asian students at leading universities four to six times greater than their actual number in California? Are they inherently smarter? If so, good luck. But I think it is a greater possibility that their culture is the answer. It seems rational to believe that parents who make their kids study - instead of hangin' out and drowning themselves in rap, rock and TV junk food - will turn out better scholars."

 

Contumacy: There is a belief that Professor Graglia implied that some minority cultures are inferior to the mainstream, in regard to education, at least. What do you think?

"What's inferior? Is it wrong to put different emphasis on what one thinks is important in life? A person who joins an order and studies only religious teaching, or takes a vow of poverty or silence, has decided that there is something more important than education as we define it. They choose not to make money. Their concept of success is different.

"Parents in some of our farming areas don't want their children to leave the community to go to school. By most standards they get minimal education. They want to live close to the land and family. Who's to say that's an inferior culture?

"Don't tell the PC police, but I am much more interested in my kids' happiness than their scholastic achievement, career success or bank balance."

 

Contumacy: You acknowledge that some who apply to the University come from disadvantaged backgrounds -bad schools, poor home life, et cetera. Yet many may do just as well as those who've had nothing but encouragement all their lives. Shouldn't that be taken into account?

"At the discussion on race relations, I questioned the concept of establishing individual evaluation to choose 48,000 people for admission. How do you give brownie points to make up for everything that could have gone wrong in their lives?

"My old man was a drunk. Do I get extra points to boost my test scores? Someone in the debate said "Yes." Well, then, what if your father drinks a pint of booze a day and mine spills that much? More points for me? What if your mother was distant and mine was loving?

"What if someone with great sex appeal had no time for study because they were always in the sack? Should we discount the higher marks of others because they had the advantage of being nerds?

"Do the brownie points start in pre-school and continue through life? Do those with a mid-life crisis get extra consideration if they want to return to school?"

 

Contumacy: What's your answer?

"We need to get away from victimization criteria. This country was an idol of the world because we were able to take outsiders and make them part of the nation. And we did it by concentrating on the similarities, not the differences.

"It took far too long in many cases - but that doesn't mean the whole system was wrong. For years, black Americans were, in many important areas, outsiders who wanted to be in. They wanted a colorblind system where they would not be treated differently.

"The problem in horrible civil wars around the globe today - in central Africa, Bosnia, Algeria and others - is that people are focused on their differences. We should stop worrying about diversity in terms of percentages and such; we should encourage people to behave as individual Americans to do what they want to do and can do.

"Why should we be unhappy that some cultures produce more doctors, basketball players, engineers or good cooks than others?"

 

Contumacy: Many feel the root of the problem is poverty, and some groups suffer more than others. In order to get ahead, you can't just pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

"Then how do you explain these poor Asian immigrants who win so many college slots and move up the economic ladder so quickly? Within a decade, many, who came with virtually only the clothes on their backs, have realized the American dream. Everyone in the family works. Most Asian-American parents have made education the corner piece of their life strategy - and it pays off in school and the work place.

"Those with that kind of dedication should not be penalized. But neither should we insist that all American cultural groups have the same goals.

"It is ironic that those who talk the most about not judging people on the basis of their economic success are usually the most insistent that everyone has the same goals."

 

Contumacy: How do you look for answers?

"One way is to find those who solve problems and achieve - and study what they're doing. Too often, there's a negative approach. Our society seems obsessed with concentrating on failure instead of success. We need to look at both, but I'm far more interested in the parents of kids who are making it than those with children who are in trouble. We should study one group to learn what they do right and the other to avoid what they've done wrong.

"I just wish that the critics of all our failures, those who are trying to straighten out the ethnic strife in the United States, would point to a country we could study as a role model. I don't think America should be striving for such goals, but it would be interesting if the PC crowd would show us what country has achieved their goals of the "right" percentages and the "right" diversity level.

"If we could get away from a disruptive, fruitless search for "proper mixes," our country would progress faster and smoother - including achievement of most goals avowed by the critics."

 

Contumacy: What is the solution for groups who have lower educational attainment?

"I was involved some years ago in tracking down studies about scholastic achievement and found that all came to the same conclusion: There was very little you could do outside the home to bring about serious change on a large scale. The super big influence on how kids do in school is their home life. Spending per student - double and more, and how the money was spent - made little difference. What counted was the child's home support system.

 

Contumacy: What do we need to do to ensure equality in this country?

"Even if you have perfect equality before the law and in the hearts of all, there will be individuals who are going to make their goals and those who don't. Life is like that. How far do we go to help those who fail to achieve goals, some of which were assigned by others?

"To try to give some people a better shot, we have opened up an endless process of manipulation. Most affirmative action, regardless of sugar coating, means that somebody gets screwed. Even minority people who would have succeeded without affirmative action lose - their achievements questioned by many.

"We are being torn apart, not brought together. Our people have become resentful and tribalized. A continued breakdown could eventually change the United States into another Yugoslavia."

 

Contumacy: What do you think are the prospects for diversity and unity in this country?

"There's no problem with all citizens having pride in their individual cultural heritage. But to be a plus for our country, it must be clear that first and foremost they are Americans - and then they are part of their group. In the past, almost everyone thought that way. But, today, many who live here do not like this country.

"Despite the ugliness of segregation, there was a better feeling between groups than there is now. Those who were out, just wanted in. They thought that we had a great system and wanted only to have an equal part in it. Somehow, that view got derailed in the minds of many and things got messed up.

"When people are overly sensitive and defensive about their groups, it becomes almost impossible to carry on intelligent discussion about race relations. Many topics are taboo - and many Americans are afraid to speak frankly. With that kind of situation, it's very difficult to make much progress.

 

Contumacy: The day after you spoke on campus, Jesse Jackson held a rally. What did you think about his appearance?

"Jesse Jackson will probably get into the Guinness Book of World Records as the biggest publicity hound in history. No excuse to get in front of a camera is too trivial for him.

"Jackson called on people to "shun" Professor Graglia - to treat him like a "pariah."

"If a professor with a perfectly sensible opinion is to be shunned and treated as a pariah, then how should we handle someone, like Jackson, who calls Jewish people "Hymies"?"

 

-Contumacy Staff